Are there any plans for Kotlin Native to be the “d...
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koufa
08/01/2018, 11:24 AMAre there any plans for Kotlin Native to be the “default” Kotlin variant? As it then would be independent of the JVM and Oracle.
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gildor
08/01/2018, 11:25 AMWhat is “default” variant?
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Aregev2
08/01/2018, 11:25 AMDo you mean the compiler ?
Aregev2
08/01/2018, 11:25 AMOracle? (openjdk 🙂 )
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gildor
08/01/2018, 11:25 AMHow Kotlin depends on Oracle?
JVM is also not a proprietary technology of Oracle
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Aregev2
08/01/2018, 11:26 AMWell K/N compiler requires a jdk installed but the exectuables are not
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gildor
08/01/2018, 11:27 AMNot K/N itself, but compiler of K/N
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Aregev2
08/01/2018, 11:27 AMWhat I said ment above ^
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koufa
08/01/2018, 11:45 AMDefault variant means that at the moment, if I am not mistaken, coroutines etc are written first for the JVM. The same is true for Collections where the Java ones are being used. Then this features are being “bridged” to K/N and KJS. I don’t know exactly how OpenJDK is being governed and who can decide how it will evolve but at the moment it seems to me that Oracle does this. So Kotlin, for example “has” to wait for JVM to get Values types, to be able to add structs e.t.c. .
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Dominaezzz
08/01/2018, 12:02 PMIf what you mean by "default" is the variant that somewhat controls the evolution of Kotlin... then no. Kotlin/Native won't be the "default" variant. As JetBrains aims to keep 100% Java interoperablity with every change in the language.
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koufa
08/01/2018, 12:14 PMYes I meant exactly that with the term “default”. Thank you.
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gildor
08/01/2018, 12:50 PMJVM version has more focus just because it's the most popular platform. Actually coroutines available for js and native for a long time, very soon after java, but kotlinx.coroutines library is originally jvm. One of the reason for that that Java gas very powerful and mature concurrency and threading. JS is strictly single threaded and Native has very limited concurrency model for now
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thymecypher
08/01/2018, 2:53 PMI know everyone has a different use case but considering I find using Gradle to be the best way to compile K/N, and it uses Java, I can safely assume any system I want to compile on should have Java anyway
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gildor
08/01/2018, 4:13 PMK/N itself written mostly on Java and to run compiler you need JRE (JDK?), so you need Java not only for Gradle but also for compiler