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michaelv · Answer

any KMP projects

Tim Malseed · Answer

None that I know of unfortunately I do a bit of KMP on my personal projects but the teams are generally very native focussed so I m not sure how much room there is for KMP

michaelv · Answer

KMP is native though if you share UI then it s starting to get less native but that s optional

Tim Malseed · Answer

It is and it isn t If you re an iOS dev then writing code in Kotlin isn t what you d call native development Even if the code ends up the same

Tim Malseed · Answer

I m an advocate for KMP But getting buy in from iOS developers is probably the biggest hurdle

Tim Malseed · Answer

If a Swift tool came along and I was asked to start building parts of my Android applications in Swift I wouldn t be super excited by it

michaelv · Answer

true but that s like saying that the backend needs to be native ios this is just my POV since the shared logic should be platform agnostic for the most part But I get what you mean

michaelv · Answer

if swift was doing what Kotlin was doing I would be open to using swift instead however so far I still prefer Kotlin and it would never really be the same anyway since objective c is not used in backends all over the world whereas java is and hence you can add kotlin and have kotlin everywhere I m finding some ios devs becoming more open to it as they see it s far better than react native and other options businesses seem to want to do some sort of cross platform I feel that s where it s headed one way or another it s only alpha though so early days and the swift calling suspend functions is not super nice yet

Tim Malseed · Answer

I think KMP has a purpose but it s not for every project Some projects the iOS and Android apps are built in parallel some are fast follow and others are only built on one platform Sometimes you have a really lean team working on multiple platforms and other times you have a ton of members working on a single platform So it really just depends on the project the client the size of the team budget and a bunch of other stuff

michaelv · Answer

for sure it always depends that s one of the strengths of KMP though is that it s super flexible but yeah sometimes it s not required at all if every one is ok with doing full native I get the mentality

Tim Malseed · Answer

I really do like KMP and I would genuinely love to be using it at work But the more purely iOS devs you have involved the more overhead there is in everyone learning it And then it s still pretty new and I know in my experience there are tons of sharp edges and things you can really sink your time into It s just another potential point of failure I guess I know I sounds like I m against KMP sweat smile If I had a small team building a greenfield iOS amp Android project then I would definitely push for KMP And on top of all that we all love KMP because we all love Kotlin But Swift devs love Swift so it s not such an obvious choice for them I think Not that I ve really talked to any iOS devs using KMP

michaelv · Answer

nah I totally get where you re coming from all good slightly smiling face

michaelv · Answer

I m just so over the ios and android I look forward to a world of mobile devs I try not to get attached to things I m learning ios too

Tim Malseed · Answer

Haha Yeah I do both iOS and Android and I m a bit the same I like to think of myself as a software engineer rather than a mobile developer

michaelv · Answer

I also use an iphone as my daily driver as I love the apple watch and android watches still suck

Tim Malseed · Answer

Yeah I wonder if the Pixel Watch will be any good I chop and change a bit I m going back to iOS later this year my last iPhone was a 6s

Tim Malseed · Answer

It sounds like we re in a similar position It s tricky I haven t done solid iOS dev for about 18 months and I feel waay behind I missed all the Combine stuff now SwiftUI is out and there s some nonsense about sendable that seems confusing So I like to be multi disciplined but I also want to be an expert very hard to be both

michaelv · Answer

I think of my self as software engineer more broadly but currently I m only really working on mobile apps so it s more specific Like technically I could think of myself as a biological neural net but it s not very helpful in terms of helping someone else understand what I do day to day at the present time

michaelv · Answer

it s hard to learn both but they re getting more and more similar over time and with KMP you can get ever closer to managing both on your own

Tim Malseed · Answer

gt I could think of myself as a biological neural net lol