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[thomasnield]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/2019/07/01/venkat-subramaniam-kotlin-and-python-are-fun-but-java-developers-are-semantically-aligned--with-the-future/amp/

[Nikky]

did he really call kotli na cute baby that has to grow up ?

[altavir]

Well, Java is good and going in the right direction. The problem is you need to live really long to see the right things happen.

[pivovarit]

Keep in mind that Venkat is a big fan of Kotlin 🙂

[Tuan Kiet]

why this is funny

[janvladimirmostert]

i wonder how they would implement null-safety without breaking the language

[janvladimirmostert]

probably annotations, @NotNullable or something else that's verbose

[pivovarit]

i wonder how they would implement null-safety without breaking the language

The same way the Kotlin did 😉

[janvladimirmostert]

Java would have to do it the other way around, String would have to be nullable and @String or String? would have to be non-nullable

[janvladimirmostert]

Unless they introduce a breaking change which they probably won't do

[pivovarit]

Well, in Java you’d need to go the other way around since current type system assumes that everything is nullable

[pivovarit]

But other than that, no biggie - just like with Kotlin

[pivovarit]

Another issue is if it makes sense to introduce something like that to an established language and commit to maintaining it potentially forever

[janvladimirmostert]

they could probably just continue to treat String like String! and then introduce ? for nullable and some other symbol for non-nullable. Would be weird working on a mixed Kotlin-Java project where the meaning of String? is swopped between Java and Kotlin

[v0ldem0rt]

No offense but I think this is pure marketing stunt pulled off by Oracle. Oracle knows that it has been lagging on Java and with new JDK release cycle/policy the F**KED UP! Google is now pushing behind Kotlin and I don't see a reason why Kotlin won't give a strong competition to Java proving "baby" that has evolved already.

[Pett4j]

If you want to avoid completely null, you can use Optional.

[Pett4j]

Actually, Java will never be a mobile language again!

[janvladimirmostert]

yeah, especially not after that Oracle lawsuit against Google