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[nfrankel]

https://www.techyourchance.com/jetbrains-invented-promotes-kotlin/

[uhe]

I don't really get why Vasiliy needed to write an article that long about the topic, but that Robin dude in the comments is just spot on.

[nfrankel]

i find it interesting
and it would not have been such a success without jetbrains investment
it’s a win-win 🙂

[dh44t]

the troll again?

[lovis]

I seriously have no idea what kind of agenda he is following. He accused me of being an “arrogant zealot” that follows an “aggressive marketing strategy” once.

[lovis]

and on a side note: could we please stop talking about productivity when it comes to developing software? kthxbye

[dh44t]

My take on "Why Vasiliy hates and diminishes Kotlin" He is an Android consultant/contractor. Somehow Kotlin rise will reduce his business chances. Obviously I don't have any proof of that but neither him when he claim out of thin air that Kotlin is just "10% better than Java"

[dh44t]

He use twitter and reddit to try to convince people that Kotlin isn't that good

[lovis]

yeah I know. like I said, had a discussion with him as well…. 😩
I just don’t understand why
How can kotlin threaten his business model? it can be a chance to support it (“I help you with the transition to kotlin”.

[dh44t]

Totally, I think he is cornering himself.

[Oleksii]

Perhaps they don't wish to learn yet-another thing. Or are afraid to do so.

Not everyone enjoys stepping out of their comfort zone. That is a mindset problem.

[dariuszbacinski]

His strategy is quite clear. There aren’t many people that criticise Kotlin, so it is a good topic to get some attention, especially from ppl that are sceptic to all new things.

[dariuszbacinski]

Look how many ppl are commenting here his articles compering to other more valuable one:)

[dh44t]

Good point

[dariuszbacinski]

https://meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html

[cedric]

Can we please stay away from using words like “trolls” or accusing people of being threatened or with some ulterior motive? This is a straight path to the kind of toxic community that killed Scala. Let’s just assume this person is a good guy who sees Kotlin in a different light than most of us and leave it at that

[lovis]

Definitely like that way of thinking, @cedric. Thing is though, if he can't clearly express his problems with the language itself, how are we supposed to inspect and adapt?

[nfrankel]

guys
i don’t know the guy
i like kotlin
i saw not much in the article related to the technical merits and flaws
most of it is in regard to the why, not the how
honestly, i start to get afraid if this community feels threatened because of a single post
which simply tries to provide an explanation as why a company would invest into designing a language
after reading the post, my position has not changed toward kotlin 😃

[lovis]

I'm completely cool with the post! It's just that I have my personal experience discussing with him, and from his words it looks like Mario has, too.
Anyway, I actually wanted to ignore it, just like Cedric suggested.
But then this post came and I wondered whether it was the same guy I discussed with a while ago. Wasn't disappointed 😉

[dh44t]

my bad, we have discuss my use of "troll" previously. My response wasn't based alone on this article but in a broader context. His previous post was, rightly pointed but many members of this community, a bogus characterisation of Kotlin merits, masked on a façade of objectivity and pompous wording. After that post, that was shared here twice, he kept talking with people on social media about how Kotlin is just popular due to a marketing campaign not on its own technical merits.

Because we decide as community not to call people troll, and I agree on that, but not knowing a better word for such behaviour from now on I'll try to ignore him. Call me out if I fail on it

[thomasnield]

We need a substitute for the word "troll". How about "undocumented criticism"? It's a negative opinion but hasn't been backed to the satisfaction of the community. Therefore no action or address can be taken.

[nfrankel]

@dh44t ok
as i said, i don’t know the guy
and obviously, i didn’t know the context
(and i don’t even remember the name by the way 😂)