i really think that policy should be changed. any ...

# hiring

[christophsturm]

i really think that policy should be changed. any kotlin related job posting can be interesting. the last 3 posts in this channels are deleted postings with replies. it would be more useful if those postings would just stay and every member could decide for themselves if they want to read it

[Shawn]

you can get mediocre job postings anywhere

[pivovarit]

even here, as you noticed

[Shawn]

if you’re gonna post here, you should at least pretend to care about what engineers want

[Shawn]

or, y’know, just read a little before pasting in a link

[christophsturm]

imo the strict policy has made this channel totally useless.

[dalexander]

If you want to post opening from your employer, talk to your recruiters about getting all of the information so that you can post here.

[dalexander]

If you want to look for a position using Kotlin there are a lot of websites that provide that functionality. And if you post someplace public, recruiters will even come to you with their information-lacking postings!

[christophsturm]

it just doesnt look like its working very well

[nfrankel]

i personnally prefer a few quality postings
than a shitload of useless ones

[nfrankel]

deleted postings mean people didn’t care to read the description
or worse, didn’t care and tried their luck

[nfrankel]

if this channel becomes another media for recruiters to dump their shit in for metrics purposes
what’s the point?

[christophsturm]

to me it looks like theres a small group of people who are very vocal about those rules and it looks like they speak for the whole kotlin community. And i just wanted to mention that i don’t agree with that and maybe others also think that it is a bit over the top

[nfrankel]

fair enough

[rcgonzalezf]

that’s the story of this slack instance, if you ask something, everyone says Stackoverflow, if you ask something related to Android, they send you to a different Slack, this community needs to be more open.

[nfrankel]

@rcgonzalezf if by more open, you mean less organized (which your examples imply)
then i disagree
because if you ask a pure android question
why do you ask there?
are you complaining if you contact UPS and they cannot answer questions about FedEx?

[elect]

I do understand that some people, me included, would continue to read also those posts which are not compliant (even because the volume is quite low).

So then what about adding a new less-strictly hiring channel in parallel? This may satisfy the needing of everyone..

[arekolek]

I don’t think that would solve anything. Sloppy recruiters would just be posting in the wrong channel then.

[rcgonzalezf]

@nfrankel I wish it was that simple,

[rcgonzalezf]

I enjoy doing Kotlin and I know this slack instance doesn’t reflect everything Kotlin related, is just sometimes is so annoying seeing how the more vocal ones are silencing others just because they’re newbies, and yes, I would love if people from UPS can answer me something from Fedex, I’ll probably stop doing business with them and continue my business with UPS then.

[nfrankel]

@rcgonzalezf and i would love that everyone gives me money
however, what benefits me doesn’t necessarily benefits the majority
on a more serious note
i think that it’s quite logical that asking a question about e.g. spring, or android in general is not beneficial to the kotlin community

[rcgonzalezf]

fair enough, and this is getting out of topic as well, my fault; I just happen to agree with some of the issues@christophsturm raised and with keeping the quality content of this and other channels. ☮️

[rkeazor]

I agree, this channel is a bit to strict

[rkeazor]

Hence the enormous amount of negative emojis in this channel

[ghedeon]

theres a small group of people who are very vocal about those rules

Not that small tho. Never said a word about the rules but I'm totally in favor of them. Would love to see similar rules in other slack groups. Screw the enigmatic "drop me a pm for details" job posts. Take a look at the post below: it took 15 replies to get a straight answer about the hourly rate. And we get it. What's so fucking difficult about being transparent in the first place?

[rkeazor]

@ghedeon I disagree with you. Yes if someone posts something completely off topic by all means delete it. But if it's just a job posting that doesnt have enough info than let the member the decide. Why delete a posting that people are commenting... Futhermore , there are alot of good companies who do not put there salaries up front , and would rather wait and see if they want to make you offer

[nfrankel]

there are alot of good companies who do not put there salaries up front

no
if you’re not willing/able/prepared to disclose the salary range upfront, you’re not a good company
either you have no clue
or you want to play the low bidder
which is a very bad signal regarding your view of software development
(next move is to outsource to a low-wage country to cut budget)