but I don’t think it will come from a language, the main point of which is to fix Java but who know...

# codingconventions

[adeln]

but I don’t think it will come from a language, the main point of which is to fix Java

but who knows 🙂

[mg6maciej]

Yes, of course. I was joking there. Kotlin is currently in my top 3 favorite programming languages list.

[elect]

the other two?

[elect]

list the list

[elect]

list.toString()

[bamdmux]

Scratch?

[mg6maciej]

Haskell and Go.

[elect]

why haskell..

[mg6maciej]

Certainly not because of syntax, which is very unreadable from time to time. I like purity of H.

[mg6maciej]

Just learning Haskell made me write better Kotlin.

[elect]

ah, that's interesting

[elect]

could you elaborate what exactly?

[mg6maciej]

Recommend reading this online book: http://learnyouahaskell.com/

[bamdmux]

FP mindset I suppose

[mg6maciej]

Yes.

[mg6maciej]

The book has cool drawings too 😉

[bamdmux]

Great book

[bamdmux]

Theres also a learn erlang for great good in the same style

[bamdmux]

http://learnyousomeerlang.com/content

[elect]

did you read by chance also the kotlin book?

[mg6maciej]

I was thinking about learning some Erlang too, but can't do everything...

[mg6maciej]

No. The one from JB? Svetlana's & Dmitry's?

[bamdmux]

I prefer Elixir to tell the truth

[elect]

yes

[elect]

that one

[mg6maciej]

I tried Elixir, but I dislike the lack of tooling around their ecosystem.

[mg6maciej]

And not a fan of Ruby 😉

[bamdmux]

I did, great book along with the Kotlin for Android Developers

[elect]

the fact that JB has also Intellij is, indeed, a quite strong advantage..

[elect]

I think I am gonna buy it sooner or later

[bamdmux]

@mg6maciej You have mix and erlang's OTP

[bamdmux]

There are options with better toolings, but I wouldn't say elixir is lacking

[mg6maciej]

I meant IDE mostly.

[bamdmux]

Alltough I only used elixir for phoenix projects

[mg6maciej]

I refactor a lot and writing in Elixir felt very manual.

[bamdmux]

Ah ok

[bamdmux]

Yeah, thats true

[mg6maciej]

Kotlin is likely to take over a significant percentage of the codebase in a few years. Brace yourselves, #kotlin-native is coming 🙂

[bamdmux]

You have plugins for atom "styled" editors

[bamdmux]

but I did most of my hacking in elixr with vim over a vps

[elect]

yeah, I think also the same

[elect]

moreover, I wonder if at some point, the java compatibility will be just a break for kotlin

[elect]

I am eager to compare the performances of k-native vs java

[elect]

and I'm also looking forward to direct memory management..

[mg6maciej]

Hmm, I feel it's like comparing Rust and Ruby. There is no point.

[elect]

if faster, it will be an huge incentive to port all your java libs to kotlin..

[elect]

and forget about java forever..

[mg6maciej]

Can't forget about JVM forever...

[elect]

at least on my personal projects

[bamdmux]

I like Java, and will always remember it. It's just that I can do things in Kotlin that java wouldn't allow me. Like anal

[mg6maciej]

Spring will not be easily rewritten and Android is JVM.

[bamdmux]

izing stuff and such

[bamdmux]

😛

[mg6maciej]

That break... 🤔

[bamdmux]

Autocorrect inserted an CR

[marcinmoskala]

I read http://learnyouahaskell.com and it is good 🙂

[marcinmoskala]

A lot of much fun 🙂

[dh44t]

speaking of haskell, has someone used any of the many IntelliJ plugins?